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debt ceiling as a leverage point to get the president to agree to the cuts? >> i think that would be a grave mistake. i don't think that would solve anything. i know they're going to try it. how far we'll go, i have no idea. if you're a real conservative, really honest conservative without hypocrisy, you want to pay your debt. and that's what this is. they're not running up anything new. >> former senator chuck hagel, the man nominated to be the next secretary of defense picked up two key voices of support, chuck schumer and barbara boxer. two prominent democrats. they spoke separately with hagel to discuss the record. hagel eased their concerns after spelling out where he stands on issues ranging from iran and israel. to the treatment of gays in the military. there will be plenty of pageantry during president obama's inauguration on monday. the official swearing in will have taken place the day before. you see the constitution requires a president's term to start on january 20th which falls on a sunday this year. john roberts will administer the oath of offi
debt ceiling as a leverage point to get the president to agree to the cuts? >> i think that would be a grave mistake. i don't think that would solve anything. i know they're going to try it. how far we'll go, i have no idea. if you're a real conservative, really honest conservative without hypocrisy, you want to pay your debt. and that's what this is. they're not running up anything new. >> former senator chuck hagel, the man nominated to be the next secretary of defense picked up...
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ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with that 2006 vote. there is one very big difference between now and 2006. 2006 there wasn't this kind of big protracted battle over the debt ceiling at all. it wasn't a big issue. i was covering politics for nbc at the time. the debt ceiling increase was seen as a procedure and a very partisan vote then but not something you were reporting on for weeks and months like we have in 2011 then and now on the debt ceiling debate and, of course, what happened in 2011 was a loss to the nation's credit rating. there's big differences between
ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with...
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i just want to come back to the debt ceiling. you said you wouldn't in this on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and you did. as you say now that you're not going to negotiates on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and say if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, let's take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not have any conversations at all about extending the bush tax cuts. i just said we wouldn't extend them for the wealthy. we didn't. you can argue that during the campaign i said -- i set the criteria for wealthy at $250,000, and we ended up being at $400,000, but the fact of the matter is millionaires and billionairres are paying significantly more in taxes just as i said. so for, you know, from the start, my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and it protected the
i just want to come back to the debt ceiling. you said you wouldn't in this on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and you did. as you say now that you're not going to negotiates on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and say if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, let's take the example of...
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no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. ♪ doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. vicks dayquil -- powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ no matter what city you're playing t
no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record...
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and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is not the hilda fight, we don't want to be responsible for people not getting their social security checks. we don't want to be blamed for it. >> joining me now are ryan grim, washington bureau chief for "huffington post," ryan, so really, they on the debt ceiling, if all the democrats voted to raise it they would only need 18 republican votes to raise it. is that the kind of thing we're going to see happen? >> i mean, you're either going to see that or a complete and total cave. but i don't think you will see a complete and total one, because you have the tea party still hanging aroun
and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is...
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okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling and he must have gone through the same idea 15 times. saying this is about honoring the obligation and paying the bills we have already incured. he raised the debt ceiling on how to depend on the ongoing financial assistance from the foreign country to finance the reckless, fiscal pollty. the point of raising the debt ceiling is to allow to us borrow. he talked about the debt ceiling a dozen times. not once did he use the word "borrow." that means we are going to continue to borrow for every dollar the government spend, only 60 cents of it come from
okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling...
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but they want it separated from debt ceiling. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that the republican decision or is it going to be played, conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to blame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of washington, but he didn't mean it. and he doesn't believe it. he thinks, and i think rightly thinks, that the political onus will be on the republicans. the president said we aren't a deadbeat nation, which is one of many great quotes in that press conference. >> i like that word, deadbeat. >> we aren't a deadbeat nation, and he said the republicans will turn us into a deadbeat nation if they do what they're threatening -- >> if somebody else objects to the question, if there's a different answer, i'll accept it. did the democrats ever play the game of not paying the bills of the united states government as
but they want it separated from debt ceiling. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that the republican decision or is it going to be played, conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to blame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it is absurd. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. >> house republicans continued to threaten to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. house republican conference chairwoman kathy rogers told "political" i think it is possible we would shut down the government to make sure that president obama understands that we're serious. well, i guess that would do it. we always talk
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of...
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raising the debt ceiling. here is what the anointed one said in 2006, said leadership means the buck stops here, washington is shifting burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and our grandchildren. er america has a debt, and a failure of leadership. americans deserve better, i, therefore, intend to oppose the efforts to increase american's debt limit so he is doing what he said shouldn't be done. but in doing so is demonstrating his morale superiority. the second thing we saw today is on full display he said republicans were sus spishus about social security and government support for the elderly and spending money on medical research, then, about programs aimed at making sure kids in poverty are getting enough to eat. now this, snot only deeply dishonest it's a gross distorgs. a lecture coming from a man responsible for a massive increase in poverty during his presidency. a third thing we saw is how deeply misunderstood his facts are. saying his plan would claim $4 trillion next decade but
raising the debt ceiling. here is what the anointed one said in 2006, said leadership means the buck stops here, washington is shifting burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and our grandchildren. er america has a debt, and a failure of leadership. americans deserve better, i, therefore, intend to oppose the efforts to increase american's debt limit so he is doing what he said shouldn't be done. but in doing so is demonstrating his morale superiority. the second thing we...
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ceiling thing. in 2011, there was not a single republican in congress in the house or in the senate who broke ranks publicly and said actually, purposefully driving the american economy into a ditch to make a point that even we don't understand and that is against the constitution, that might not be a great idea. nobody broke ranks when the republicans did this in 2011. nobody on the republican side. but today on the republican side somebody did. today republican senator lisa murkowski of alaska broke ranks. she gave an interview to her hometown newspaper in alaska, she says she disagrees threatening the country with default. quote, murkowski is breaking rank, saying the country has a duty to assure it pays its bills. murkowski said not all of her colleagues in the senate will say it out loud, but she believes most agree that failing to raise the debt limit would harm perception of the country. quote, if you incur an obligation, you have a responsibility to pay for that, murkowski said. time is goin
ceiling thing. in 2011, there was not a single republican in congress in the house or in the senate who broke ranks publicly and said actually, purposefully driving the american economy into a ditch to make a point that even we don't understand and that is against the constitution, that might not be a great idea. nobody broke ranks when the republicans did this in 2011. nobody on the republican side. but today on the republican side somebody did. today republican senator lisa murkowski of...
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could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import because it will determine whether among other things the united states continues to make good on the obligations it has already undertaken. interest and principal on the debt we have borrowed. our credit rating which was so famously downgraded in the summer of 2011 hangs in the balance here. and of course, people on both sides of the aisle are fighting over whether it is fair game to use the debt ceiling as a piece of political leverage to get the government to stop its spending. on the one hand, people on the right say, well, what else are we going to use? we are engaging
could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import...
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president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the speaker. what is your main problem with him? >> i have no personal problems. i keep hearing that. he himself said i carrying no grudges. we've talked several times. the point is to let him know with le stand up to leadership and hold him account annual. i think that's important to know. that really is on both sides of the aisle. if you go back there were people that challenged the leadership, too. i think that's a good thing. you have new members of congress willing to stand up and saying let's rethink this. let's put america first, not necessarily party politics. i fired the first volley that you would
president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the...
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seriously, republicans were not elected to raise the debt ceiling and bring us into more debt and steal from our kids. where is the moral imperative that somebody, some party in in country is going to stand up and say enough is enough and we've got to live within our means and stop borrowing 46 cents of every dollar? where is that party? >> i think that they are there. they don't have a lot of-- a spokesperson yet. it's going to take some time. so, the thing is, this is the amazing thing. >> sean: capitulate in the meantime? >> i'm not saying that, but i think there is a responsibility for washington to say, okay, look, what are the things we can do within these parameters to make sure we don't wreck the economy. the fitch point, what obama is realizing, what fitch is saying could actually happen and smart preemptively to blame the republicans. >> sean: isn't it to be party, and balanced budget and greater freedom and to hell with the political consequences, take a stand? >> the republicans caved on the tax, yes, they did. they lost, they caved. >> sean: caved. >> and i don't like the w
seriously, republicans were not elected to raise the debt ceiling and bring us into more debt and steal from our kids. where is the moral imperative that somebody, some party in in country is going to stand up and say enough is enough and we've got to live within our means and stop borrowing 46 cents of every dollar? where is that party? >> i think that they are there. they don't have a lot of-- a spokesperson yet. it's going to take some time. so, the thing is, this is the amazing thing....
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three months. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aide gave no indication president obama would veto a temporary extension if this is how congressional republicans want to govern, so be it. they already have an approval rat
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three...
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the debt ceiling is not there now? >> even if you don't want to listen to the president, like, listen to fitch and moodies and all the rating agencies who say this is not an economic issue. this is a political crisis that the united states is going through right now. and the thing about this, rev, is that this is a policy without a constituency. who backs this? who backs the idea to say basically, we're going to spend and spend and spend. and when the bills come up, we're not going to debate how we're going to spend in the future. if you want to have a larger conversation about spending, then we can have a larger conversation about spending. the moment we confuse them is when we start damaging the long term prospects of where this country can be economically. >> but nia, in fairness, there have been, at least in this area, some prominent republicans that are starting to point out that this is a little too far up here. senator murkowski says if you incur an obligation, you have the responsibility to pay for that. and th
the debt ceiling is not there now? >> even if you don't want to listen to the president, like, listen to fitch and moodies and all the rating agencies who say this is not an economic issue. this is a political crisis that the united states is going through right now. and the thing about this, rev, is that this is a policy without a constituency. who backs this? who backs the idea to say basically, we're going to spend and spend and spend. and when the bills come up, we're not going to...
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ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> house republicans want spending cuts as part of a deal to lift the debt ceiling. without an agreement the country has until around march 1 before it may not be able to meet financial obligations. >> today is the one month anniversary of the deadly school shooting in newtown, connecticut. in washington, bay area members are among the group of democrats meeting with vice president biden about gun control. the vice president could turn over his proposals to president obama as early as tomorrow. >> a month ago today, the shooting massacre at sandy hook elementary school shocked the nation. and re-ignited a fierce battle over america's relationship with guns. tomorrow, vice president biden will recommend a robust gun control game plan to president obama including stronger background checks for all gun purchases, a ban on high capacity magazine clips, and a renewed ban on assault weapons. >> my starting poi
ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> house republicans want spending cuts as part of a deal to lift the debt ceiling. without an agreement the country has until around march 1 before it may not be able to meet financial obligations. >> today is the one month anniversary of the deadly school shooting in newtown, connecticut. in washington, bay area members...
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the nation's debt ceiling. to cut to red, my next guest advocates more green when it comes to health care. the called the health reduction. she said there would be a method. explain. >> well, actually, the public option would decrease the deficit by about $104 billion over ten years. >> how too you know that? >> that's the congressional budget office estimate. of what it would do. this is not numbers i made up. because it would inn fact lower the -- provide an option -- this would be completely by choice -- for people who don't want to pick this public option, among the private sector choices within a health exchange, and rates for premiums are estimated to be about 5 to 7% lower, meaning those people in the exchange that needed a subsidy would take fewer tax dollars and it is also estimated that it would serve as an anchor, because there's competition, to bring down the cost of health care, even in the private sector as well. >> when is the government -- when is the government ever done that? with george bush'
the nation's debt ceiling. to cut to red, my next guest advocates more green when it comes to health care. the called the health reduction. she said there would be a method. explain. >> well, actually, the public option would decrease the deficit by about $104 billion over ten years. >> how too you know that? >> that's the congressional budget office estimate. of what it would do. this is not numbers i made up. because it would inn fact lower the -- provide an option -- this...
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one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the shutdown and the continuing resolution in this totally screwed up washington that we have right now with all these perverse incentives, that actually does represent progress if republicans are now only talking about a government shutdown and not a debt default. >> do you agree with that? >> i mean, not really. i know what you're saying but i don't really think we should give a lot of rewards. we citizens, we the political class, or we the media for different strains of this kind of leverage. i think the problem and it was in a
one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the...
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to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless with the debt. the real default has come from his lack of leadership on deficits and debts. the federal deficit has been over a trillion dollars all four years he's been president of the united states. he's done absolutely nothing to curb the costs of these programs that will, according to democra democrats -- >> hmm. >> bankrupt us. what has harry reid rand democrats done in the senate? absolutely nothing. how many days since they passed a budget? >> 1,357. >> 1,357 days since democrats have passed a budget in the united states senate. >> let's talk about that lack of leadership so many people have criticized the presi
to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless...
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we're headed for a debt ceiling battle is to avoid the debt ceiling itself. congressman jerry nadler joins me now and introducing the legislation today. in full disclosure he is my congressman. you do a hell of a job in your district. we're very happy with you there. >> thank you. david: i do set this that up as a compliment to criticize you, i look at a debt ceiling which started at 10 billion, 10 trillion dollars when the president came into office. it is now $16 trillion. don't we need restraint of a debt ceiling to prevent the spending from even going further? >> no. and it doesn't restrain spending at all. congress makes the decisions as to what to spend, what the level of taxation should be, what the level of spending should be. the debt ceiling is just there and, says you can not pay the bills that you voted to incur a year ago and two years ago and three years ago. and that is just wrong. now it used to be harmless in that the debt ceiling would be raised with a little demagoguing here and there but no one ever seriously suggested not raising it. it w
we're headed for a debt ceiling battle is to avoid the debt ceiling itself. congressman jerry nadler joins me now and introducing the legislation today. in full disclosure he is my congressman. you do a hell of a job in your district. we're very happy with you there. >> thank you. david: i do set this that up as a compliment to criticize you, i look at a debt ceiling which started at 10 billion, 10 trillion dollars when the president came into office. it is now $16 trillion. don't we need...
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they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid
they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the...
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ceiling after he's already said it's unpatriotic to exceed the debt ceiling in 2007-2008. he's in a very, very tough place. i think the republicans in the house in congress will give him a hard time, won't make it an easy checkbook. they'll ask for something in return, not sure what it's going to be. they'll probably get it, some negotiation, but, again, we already exceed the debt ceiling. $16.4 trillion tim geithner, fudges numbers around, pay the bills until congress signs the increase in debt ceiling. >> a repeat of the fiscal cliff? >> that's what politics is in dc. this is all games, all threats, all the clock is ticking down. makes you worry if the country's going to default. >> eric, here's the thing -- >> at the end of the day, sorry -- >> yeah. at the enof the day, there's a deal. >> yeah, this is like the debt ceiling is a phony argument. it's really about charter renewal. it's a renewal of a charter do continue spending, and what time and again the american people have been misled on the debt ceiling, what we are talking about you can't default. the government c
ceiling after he's already said it's unpatriotic to exceed the debt ceiling in 2007-2008. he's in a very, very tough place. i think the republicans in the house in congress will give him a hard time, won't make it an easy checkbook. they'll ask for something in return, not sure what it's going to be. they'll probably get it, some negotiation, but, again, we already exceed the debt ceiling. $16.4 trillion tim geithner, fudges numbers around, pay the bills until congress signs the increase in...
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ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure, it's a sign that the u.s. government can't pay its own bills, it's a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. leadership means that the buck stops here. instead, washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today on the backs of our children and grandchildren, therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase america's debt limit. in 2008, candidate obama blamed president bush and called the growing debt unpatriotic. >> number 43 added 4 trillion dollars by his lonesome so that we no
ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a...
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translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has already passed. the laws that it's already passed. republicans are saying it's about borrowing authority. essentially running up the country's credit card. >> exactly. what the republicans are saying is look, we maxed out the credit card. it's time before we extend any new credit or allow any new credit to do something aboutbe the spending that got us here. that would seem on the surface to be a reasonable argument. but so far, the republicans have not been able to win it. and what tends to happen in the fights when you get all of this late hour melodrama as we have had in the last cou
translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has...
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he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of fantastical sounding option of minting a trillion dollar platinum coin. so they've closed yet another door, and he's essentially said, you know, i'm just not playing ball. i read that politico story today as very interesting. it could be john boehner's camp saying we can't control the far right wing. it could also be a little bit of a bluff. it may be that boehner really feels that way or maybe he wants the white house the think he feels that way and it could be, again, part of this grand game of chicken. everyone is positioning right now. that's what's
he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of...
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there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay its bills. they have much better news to fight over spending. they have a continuing resolution that funds government, which comes up at the end of march, and they have this sequester that automatically cuts spending. >> gingrich isn't saying lay down your arms, but he is saying there are better battles ahead. >> he is saying you're going to lose this debt fight because -- he has said previously that the entire global world of finance is going to come into washington the week before the debt ceiling is hit and they're going to
there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united...
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the debt ceiling is announcing the amount of money the states can borrow. today the president responded to some republicans who say they are willing to shut down the government if the president doesn't back down. ultimately congress makes decisions about whether or not we spend money and keep the government open. if they decide they want to shut down the government in order to get their way they have the votes in the house of representatives to do that. i think that would be a mistake. >> john boehner responded the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending statement. wendell, a government shut down, is that something that really might happen? neither side is ready to blink yet. he has laid out they are ready to compromise if possible that could lead to a government shut down although probably not right away. president obama suggested right before the u.s. the people at home might be told they have to wait for their money. >> if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time social security
the debt ceiling is announcing the amount of money the states can borrow. today the president responded to some republicans who say they are willing to shut down the government if the president doesn't back down. ultimately congress makes decisions about whether or not we spend money and keep the government open. if they decide they want to shut down the government in order to get their way they have the votes in the house of representatives to do that. i think that would be a mistake. >>...
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ceiling conversation, it's important to remember, this is not solving the debate over whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. this is putting off the debate of whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. >> we're told in response to this report coming out of the white house, one white house official said it is a terrible way to run the country. when asked if the president would veto a short-term extension, the official would not say yes or no, but reiing rated the president's opposition to creating a series of self-imposed crisis. that from kristen welker at the white house. this is putting the onus off the back of the house republicans. this is a big result coming out of they are retreat in williamsburg where paul ryan and others were basically indicating that they can't win this battle. >> the president's press conference, the ball in your court press conference, this is the republicans hitting the ball back over the met saying it's now in your court. we should see. can i make one other quick note? i want a whole andrea mitchell reports on old andrea mitchell footage of preside
ceiling conversation, it's important to remember, this is not solving the debate over whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. this is putting off the debate of whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. >> we're told in response to this report coming out of the white house, one white house official said it is a terrible way to run the country. when asked if the president would veto a short-term extension, the official would not say yes or no, but reiing rated the president's...
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ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> house republicans want spending cuts as part of a deal to lift the debt ceiling. without an agreement the country has until around march 1 before it may not be able to meet financial obligations. >> today is the one month anniversary of the deadly school shooting in newtown, connecticut. in washington, bay area members are among the group of democrats meeting with vice president biden about gun control. the vice president could turn over his proposals to president obama as early as tomorrow. >> a month ago today, the shooting massacre at sandy hook elementary school shocked the nation. and re-ignited a fierce battle over america's relationship with guns. tomorrow, vice president biden will recommend a robust gun control game plan to president obama including stronger background checks for all gun purchases, a ban on high capacity magazine clips, and a renewed ban on assault weapons. >> my starting poi
ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is say that america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> house republicans want spending cuts as part of a deal to lift the debt ceiling. without an agreement the country has until around march 1 before it may not be able to meet financial obligations. >> today is the one month anniversary of the deadly school shooting in newtown, connecticut. in washington, bay area members...
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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pass the debt ceiling and talk about spending cuts if that's what you want to talk about. >> i want to read what "the washington post" conservative columnist had to say about the republican strategy. here's what he said. he wrote, obama's post-election arrogance and intransigence can put you in a fighting mood. i sympathize. this is what he's telling the republicans but i'm tending toward the realist view. don't force the issue when you don't have the power s. that what we're seeing with the debt kreeling in they don't have the power and maybe taking this advice from the conservative columnist? >> it's rare i agree with charles krauthammer but don't fight battles you can't win and don't go to the brink to be perceived as pulling back and therefore losing. this is not a fight they can win. it's certainly one they can lose and i think, though, just doing this three months, we are not done with this. if you're a crisis junkie, we are in the position of not only did the fiscal cliff not end this, we'll talk about this, and talking about it and talking about it and whether there's a coheren
pass the debt ceiling and talk about spending cuts if that's what you want to talk about. >> i want to read what "the washington post" conservative columnist had to say about the republican strategy. here's what he said. he wrote, obama's post-election arrogance and intransigence can put you in a fighting mood. i sympathize. this is what he's telling the republicans but i'm tending toward the realist view. don't force the issue when you don't have the power s. that what we're...
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trimg the deficit should be separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is a america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> john boehner said the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >> listen to this. a medical scare in a buffalo, new york veteran's hospital. many may have been exposed to hiv. the pens are designed to be used by one person, but many of them were used on multiple people. >> surfers, beware. you have to look at this video. it's shocking. >> standing on the shore? >> he has his toes in the water. two sharks were spotted dangerously close to shore in honolulu. this was off of oahu. they are like ten feet offshore. >> i will call him a dingaling if he is in the water. >> he's a hero. >> there is flooding and ice. from the weather center, you said snow is on the way as well? >> that's right. it's coming to you guys. it's coming into a north and west of new york into connecticut as well. that's not today's concern. we have the s
trimg the deficit should be separate from the debt ceiling. >> raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. all it does is a america will pay its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> john boehner said the american people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending at the same time. >> listen to this. a medical scare in a buffalo, new york veteran's hospital. many may have been exposed to hiv. the pens are designed to be used...
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that is far from a don't raise the debt ceiling ultimatum. boehner has now shown that he's willing to break glass and allow legislation to pass without a majority of the majority. perhaps we've seen the near future in how the republicans end up agreeing to a debt ceiling raise without a battle. government funding and government shutdown, different story. >>> let's turn back to the big story of the day. and that is the president's push on guns and the coming fight with both congress and the nra. in addition to calling on congress to pass gun control legislation, the president will propose a set of executive actions. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams is here to help explain some of those executive actions. a big one that we know he's going to call for is this idea, pete, of basically ordering the justice department to prosecute people that fail background checks. explain why that hasn't been done before, and how it can be done. >> sure, first of all. the federal law makes it a crime for somebody to falsify, knowingly falsify information
that is far from a don't raise the debt ceiling ultimatum. boehner has now shown that he's willing to break glass and allow legislation to pass without a majority of the majority. perhaps we've seen the near future in how the republicans end up agreeing to a debt ceiling raise without a battle. government funding and government shutdown, different story. >>> let's turn back to the big story of the day. and that is the president's push on guns and the coming fight with both congress and...
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budget debt the debt ceiling but this also at the same time there seems to be schizophrenia because people don't like the idea of a precious metal like gold being back in the currency but they somehow like the idea of a fan a fantasy platinum coin fixing their debts. problem is this gets a frantic is it madness or does this tell you yes it's actually stupidity. and i'm not saying that mr bernanke and whoever it was that came up with this ridiculous idea has a low i.q. that's not the case i'm defining stupidity as an unwitting tendency to self-destruction and. the idea of creating a trillion dollar coin is really to get around the debt limits and things like that which are all a charade anyway what's happening is that the u.s. government is spending well it depends on how you do your accounting with accrual accounting or cash accounting but they're running deficits of between a trillion and a half for a five trillion dollars per year if you use a cruel accounting. so they're going to be printing up lots of money and whether they do it by creating a trillion dollar koreans. or not it'
budget debt the debt ceiling but this also at the same time there seems to be schizophrenia because people don't like the idea of a precious metal like gold being back in the currency but they somehow like the idea of a fan a fantasy platinum coin fixing their debts. problem is this gets a frantic is it madness or does this tell you yes it's actually stupidity. and i'm not saying that mr bernanke and whoever it was that came up with this ridiculous idea has a low i.q. that's not the case i'm...
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senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to uphold the constitution and leave this country better than how we found we can't keep spending our kids inheritance, can't keep spending their money, we don't have it. >> greta: apparently he has threatened, i think his statement, at least people-- that in the event, congress doesn't authorize to raise that debt ceiling that he will do it unilaterally himself and he thinks he has the authority. do you >> absolutely not. under the 14th amendment of the constitution you can only do this as authorized by law and law is only created through the united states congress. so the president has absolutely no ground
senator against the debt ceiling, he talked in essence how irresponsible it was to raise the debt ceiling. what in the world happened between then and now? why does somebody responsible for something raise the debt ceiling that wasn't before? what's the difference? >> i think that the president was terribly irresponsible, to say he's not talking about it because he's above it to blame congress, in part congress creates this problem, but we're going to solve this problem. i got elected to...
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ceiling -- the raising of the debt ceiling and sequestration. this is just getting underway. [applause] >> well, good morning. thank you, raymond. and thanks to all of you for making it through the snow drifts. glad you all arrived safely. one flake of snow, and washington closes down. well, we're very excited about the new year. our partnership with the chamber and this morning's program featuring senators kent conrad and judd gregg. before we start our program, i'd like to recognize our sponsors, bdo represented by david trimner. if bdo could, please, stand and be recognized. [applause] all right. the broadmoor remitted by hover -- represented by lori meacham. lori, if you could -- [applause] and ceo update whose editor-in-chief is recovering from a bad case of the flu, so she is not here. bdo is the leader in accounting and consultancy services for associations, the broadmoor is the number one resort property for associations looking for a five-star meeting experience. i've got great memories, i remember my first experience bringing my 4-year
ceiling -- the raising of the debt ceiling and sequestration. this is just getting underway. [applause] >> well, good morning. thank you, raymond. and thanks to all of you for making it through the snow drifts. glad you all arrived safely. one flake of snow, and washington closes down. well, we're very excited about the new year. our partnership with the chamber and this morning's program featuring senators kent conrad and judd gregg. before we start our program, i'd like to recognize our...
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. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john, we've seen speaker boehner's power getting weaker and weaker. is paul ryan now the de facto head of the gop? >> well, you know, actually, martin, i think he has been much more influential than people realize -- >> because he's been quite quiet publicly. >> going back to 2011. he has so much respect within that republican caucus. he's the guy who killed simpson/bowl simpson/bowles. he was on the simpson/bowles commission and wasn't willing to have any revenue increases. his fingerprints were not on it. and then when it came to the grand bargain, he told john boehner wait until the election. don't do this deal.
. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john,...
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this is about doing the debt ceiling about paying the debt. it has nothing to do with the sequester. he didn't talk about them together. he talked about them separately. in fact, that's where the negotiating will happen. he said to congress we'll have to figure out a way not to increase deficit. it will have to come with spending cuts. >> cenk: more austerity, i wouldn't do any more of it. but he also talked about guns. >> he was asked about guns. i think what we'll hear him talk about hear here now but 836 people now since the newtown tragedy has died. that's almost as if we have woken up for 32 days and there was a nu town every single day. >> cenk: every time we update it i get surprised. oh, my god, it's been that many more and it's insanity. i think a great majority of the american people are on to it. it is a majority, 52% of americans are now more supportive of gun control since newtown. we're making progress, of course it depends on what is in it. >> he has the option and he's talking about using the executive order. here is the presid
this is about doing the debt ceiling about paying the debt. it has nothing to do with the sequester. he didn't talk about them together. he talked about them separately. in fact, that's where the negotiating will happen. he said to congress we'll have to figure out a way not to increase deficit. it will have to come with spending cuts. >> cenk: more austerity, i wouldn't do any more of it. but he also talked about guns. >> he was asked about guns. i think what we'll hear him talk...
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that's what the debt ceiling is about. one of the things i advocated was the restoration of the gephardt rule that said when congress voted for a budget, let's say it voted for the iraq war that cost a trillion dollars, then at the moment that they voted for that program the debt ceiling would be adjusted up or down to reflect the budget they just voted for. that's what most americans would do. so this debt ceiling is all about hypocrisy. it is all about pretending that we have an option about paying our bills. by the way, a lot of the bills we have to pay are things i was adamantly opposed to. i didn't want to go to war in iraq. i didn't want to have nation building in afghanistan. i thought the bush tax cuts were ill-advised but i'm a member of congress. america committed itself to those and i've got to stand by paying the obligations that have been incurred. >> john: congressman, i want to congratulate you on being a real fiscal conservative. congressman peter welch democrat of vermont, thank you. i hope you'll come bac
that's what the debt ceiling is about. one of the things i advocated was the restoration of the gephardt rule that said when congress voted for a budget, let's say it voted for the iraq war that cost a trillion dollars, then at the moment that they voted for that program the debt ceiling would be adjusted up or down to reflect the budget they just voted for. that's what most americans would do. so this debt ceiling is all about hypocrisy. it is all about pretending that we have an option about...